I imagine that this is the same for the king and Bardock. He was also the commanding hero of theSaiyan Army, and led his people to victory in theSaiyan-Tuffle war, in which the planet was renamed in his honor. There's actually not a lot to work with feat wise. By the time of his return, he has gained armor akin to the classic Saiyan armor. I also just thought of something. Goku has long been the better fighter due to his trainings with SEVERAL MASTERS in their respective arts. To be king means you have natural talent. The power pole might allow him to fend off against the Brave Sword. However, Vegeta refers to him as just common soldier. Him versus King Vegeta would've been a better fight. @marshall_long: Is that filler? Bardock's blast hit Vegeta's and the two beams of energy began to struggle against one another. The doctors claimed that if Bardock kept coming back the way he was, that he might have even passed King Vegeta's power-level. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. And based on the way he destroyed planet Arlia, I would say he had probably done that kind of thing before. Note that Vegeta had the Majin boost, however I consider that as leveling the grounds due to Goku's Other World enhancements (no fatigue when training among other benefits). Not to make light of KV's own growth rate (a trait of all Saiyans), but Bardock seems to have an affinity for it. It was FAN-MADE. @limilicious: Yes it was.Grand Kai said that he needed time to get back in shape. Already debunked that, and there is nothing to stop me from saying that King Vegeta couldnt do the same. If this shit cannot be done fairly......................... As a matter of fact I'm going to create my own version of this thread and if I find the slightest bit of stupidity. Nobody knows. Their experience is roughly equal, or at least presumably so. " When Future Dende cries for help, Porunga takes this for a wish and makes Future Bardock appear. Vegeta was clearly stronger than him, but that didn't matter to Bardock. Nothing you say can change the fact that your argument is that "Vegeta is king and because he has the training of a king should be better than everyone" Bardock wins because he has actually fought people and is a soldier. It was stated by some doctor that Bardock is catching up to King Vegeta quickly. That is the ENTIRE point of Goku and Vegeta is that though Vegeta has formal training and was a high class saiyan he was surpassed and out-skilled by Goku time and time again, do you know why? After a few Zenkais after supposedly taking on the tougher missions. His top power in the Saiyan Saga was 18,000 the same goes for Cui as well. I'm not repeating anybody.2. At the time Planet Vegeta and the Saiyan Army still existed, Bardock was in the upper ranks as far as low-class warriors go, but his power was not enough for him to become a mid-class warrior. He saying no proof =/= no argument. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!! So if Bardock and King Vegeta fought under normal circumstance I would say that King Vegeta would win. Power level advantage: Bardock (better feats, more zenkais, more battles), Experience advantage: Bardock (nuff said), Fighting skill advantage: Bardock (Training does not mean anything if you dont have experience, Bardock has enough to where he is as skilled as they come), Reputation advantage: King Vegeta (that helps). Stated potential advantage: King Vegeta (This does not include what they can become, in which case Bardock would win. Fair enough, I won't use SSJ. Fact is, he was able to do more injured than King Vegeta did at peak.Zenkais don't work like that. Better than anything Vegeta has done. He saying no proof =/= no argument. We all know that Vegeta was stronger than King Vegeta by the Saiyan saga (18,000) and post Planet Kanasa Bardock got 1 full zenkai and another relatively done one but cut short due to his assault on Frieza. And you're "debunking" was wrong. The power boost is gained once recovered. @limilicious: His stated reputation is just an extension of Bardock's, as in DB/DBZ/DBGT if you're stronger then you can do anything that somebody below you can do, simply better (bar special attacks). 18.104.22.168 23:22, January 18, 2013 (UTC), If Ep. One sits on a thrown and is respected and one goes and experiences battle day after day. Bardock would probably do no better, but his death was more amazing. I place more merit on Bardock, though, because he has more battle experience of late, whereas King Vegeta sat on his butt the last few years of his life after winning the War vs the Tuffles. Bardock took out 4 elites? Tag others when you get an actual argument that is not repeating what others have disproved already and just negating everything by hyporcitically turning a blind eye to certain comments on here. Of course he is! Did any of them disappoint? @vance_astro@saren@god_spawn pls get rid of this. The reasons power levels were rendered moot was because somebody could go period-mode and get a huge boost. and if you count the the episode of bardock as cannon which it is then bardocks stronger. K, cute. In the movie Bardock: The Father of Goku, Planthor and Malaka gauge Bardock's power level at 10,000 after he returns from Kanassa. What does that mean? Nobody is claiming that he wins because he is the king. King Vegeta has a power level of 10000+/12000-. Again: "He's the king of course he's more powerful because thats how it works, right?". King Vegeta had a contingent of elite saiyans to battle Frieza. everything. So this, I disagreed. It doesn't matter how many zenkais or battles Bardock fought, it doesn't automatically make him equal to king Vegeta, it just means he's catching up quickly. re: Bardock vs King Vegeta There's two ways to look at this. The same logic can be reasonably said for vegeta and goku and just how much did that notion help with what was it "NO PLEASE KRILLIN DO NOT KILL HIM!!! Within a 1v1 battle neither would have the inclination to get angry/emotional to that point: so that is out of the window completely. First off you have it all right there. bardock the father of goku was a special, not a movie and was considered canon by akira toriyama, so much so that he put bardock in the updated manga. You had 4 points here and all of them either contained unknown ends (the disproved thing: you didn't state what was "disproved"), was previously explained by me (the leagues thing/the comic book logic), was completely wrong (the repeating thing/the turning a blind eye), or goes against what was said by the actual source (the surpassing). A devoted and loyal warrior despite his low-class, after learning of Frieza's plans to destroy the Saiyans, he seeks to attempt to stop him at any cost and save his newly born infant son and the rest of his race. King Vegeta casually defeated 10 soldiers in a relatively calm state. While injured. The techniques King Vegeta and Bardock … The saiyans are a kind of race that power is everything, given time King Vegeta might surpass bardock.Bardock's ability to get stronger when he comes close to death is activated alot more because he actually fights alot more. Including movies and filler, we see that as a child he was put up against groups of Saibamen in mortal combat, each of whom is as powerful as Raditz, and he beat them easily. Either way, here are plausible answers. Also, I can't see any blasts from him being sent to the planet. If Bardock was lower than these soldiers the same would have happened, they would have been fast or strong enough to survive and beat him to death. King Vegeta's power level was 10,000-ish (I'm guessing it's not THAT high ((as in 15,000)) yet). This debate is seriously ended with it being outrightly stated that King Vegeta is more powerful. Swoosh!!! He got no power boost from fighting on Planet Meat, so his power level at death (if he wasn't enraged) and in this fight would still be just below 10,000. I would say Vegeta was absolutely a battle-hardened warrior by the time he encountered Goku. ~GAPIntoTheGame. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! It's still a valid feat, and even those so-called "cheap shots" are more than King Vegeta ever demonstrated.How was my debunking wrong? King Vegeta has better training. Fighting skill advantage: King Vegeta - You can gain skills, maneuvers, or tactics via experience and not just training. K, Bardock goes SSJ just to spite King Vegeta before then royally whooping his ****. Since then, Vegeta has not learned any new martial arts. Bardock after Training in cave: 45,000 (some time had passed) Bardock's mad believing Chilled is Frieza: 100,000 (punches him) Bardock reeling on the Ground after Chilled crushed him: 14,500. 3. But no, not every Saiyan can be a Super Saiyan.Cite that source please. Really? I mean, think about it. And we all know how much prestige matters in DBZ *cough* Vegeta and Goku *cough*.King Vegeta defeated the Tuffles; considering he didn't do it alone, they are comparable. Both fathers of a mainstream anime.EOS Minato vs Current BardockRulesBoth are bloodlustedNo prep timeBardock starts in SSJ and Minato starts in Kurama Winner: Bardock. Sorry if I seem smug, but they seem to be making redundant comments (as if they've been stated before; I disproved it; somebody else says it). there is nothing to prove that bardock worked on his tail. The race that EVERYONE went great ape to defeat brutally? Also explain to me why Bardock supposed attacked from Zarbon who's twice his power level and was 'left' for dead to not be enough to be considered near death experience. A devoted and loyal warrior despite his low-class, after learning of Frieza's plans to destroy the Saiyans, he seeks to attempt to stop him at any cost and save his newly born infant son and the rest of his race. I think that Bardock had more potential than King Vegeta but would probably have lost in a fight against him. While you shouldn't base who wins based on who has a higher power level; it gives you a great idea of who is in whom's ball park. Without the mask, his eyes are shown to be black with red irises which may be a result of him controlling the power of darkness given from the mask. We never really get a grasp of King Vegeta's power level, as he is never shown in a real fight, though we do know that he is signifiacantly weaker than Frieza who was at 530,000. Bardock on the other hand is a hardened soldier who killed Dadoria's squad and took on hundreds of henchmen at once. - What is King Vegeta's 'stated potential advantage' referring to? If not, a newer thread with an updated scenario and specification on who is at what power level would be nice. What's my argument? He was able to survive against Dodoria who was atleast twice as strong as him. You're getting flagged I promise my tolerance level has had it up to here. Why doesn't Any abitious saiyan just overtake the throne. Of course, this is pretty much just speculation. This stuff is supposed to be professional enjoyable, and fun. He had the skill but lacked the speed and strength to match Vegeta. He's a saiyan, but Bardock is stronger because in the movie Bardock Father of goku it said Bardock was stronger than King Vegeta. Vegeta's lack of versatility in what he practices is the cause, however his dedication and the intensity with which he practices made up for it. Goku & Bardock Vs Vegeta & Frieza Power Levels | CharlieCaliph About Video : In this video we compair Goku & Bardock Vs Vegeta & Frieza Power Levels ... Internet sensation, check out his complete story - Best Floyd Mayweather News Fan site - Oh yes, that he hasn't surpassed him yet.And just because this is not comic does not mean the same logic cannot apply. However zenkai can happen to all saiyans, so King Vegeta has that potential as well, and we're talking about what they have the potential to do as of right now: not as of the future.). King Vegeta rules a planet - sure he might be training but Bardock was one of the ones who were going out and actually killing populations. Bardock was likely stronger than at least one of them, but all of them? NOT MARTIAL ARTS.Since then, Vegeta has not learned any new martial arts. Take that as you will as to his reasoning (whether it be because he wasn't in shape to train anybody, or them specifically). Don't really need to anyway. 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